All In All Out
All In All Out focuses on promoting 1) greater communication and collaboration in the field of reentry/reform/decarceration efforts in Wisconsin and 2) showcasing the successes, humanity, and agency of people with criminal records. All In All Out is produced in partnership with The Community (thecommunitynow.us), the Wisconsin Decarceration Platform (wisdp.org), and the Milwaukee School of Engineering. We are part of a small community of podcast/radio shows in Wisconsin working to correct the narrative about the justice system and how we can better bring about a justice system more worthy of that name.
Episodes
24 episodes
Episode 10: The Ostara Initiative talks about prison birth work across the country
In this episode, The Ostara Initiative talks about prison birth work across the country. The Ostara Initiative manages several prison birth work programs across the co...
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Season 2
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Episode 10
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1:07:38
Episode 9: Kyle Ashley Talks About the Art and Science of Collaboration
Kyle Ashley, the newly appointed Director of Community Outreach for the Milwaukee County Executive’s Office, has a rich history of community engagement and collaboration. In this episode, he discusses what he’s learned, what he has demonstrated...
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Season 2
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Episode 9
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1:00:42
Episode 8: Cecelia Klingele breaks down the criminal legal system in WI
Cecelia Klingele and Shannon discuss Truth in Sentencing, the difficulty of focusing on crimeless revocation, the fact that incarceration promotes the exact opposite of what’s needed to succeed upon release, and more. This is arguably a must-li...
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Season 2
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Episode 8
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1:34:31
Episode 7: State Representatives Talk Criminal Legal System Reform in Wisconsin
Now former state representatives Evan Goyke and Dora Drake talk with Shannon about strategies, experiences, and hopes around criminal legal system reform in Wisconsin. Since this episode, both individuals have since moved on to different positi...
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Season 2
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Episode 7
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44:15
Episode 6: Shannon talks agnostic/atheist formerly incarcerated success stories with Dominee & Matthew
Dominee Meek and Matthew Wick exchange stories with Shannon about all of their journeys through over 60 years in the system without believing in god: what they learned, how it limited their opportunities and path, and how it impacts their reent...
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Season 2
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Episode 6
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1:06:52
Episode 5: Ruben Gaona Talks Home Ownership & Entrepreneurship Post Incarceration
Shannon talks with Ruben Gaona about the pros and cons of entrepreneurship versus employment and rental versus homeownership for people with criminal records, particularly those still on “paper.”Ruben Gaona is the Executive Director of ...
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Season 2
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Episode 5
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50:26
Episode 4: Simmone Kilgore Talks “Second Chance” Language and How to Carry Shame
Simmone Kilgore LPC, an experienced trauma therapist talks with Shannon about "Second Chance" language, shame, and her career. She knows incarceration closely in her family.Simmone is the ReCAST Program Manager within Milwaukee's Office...
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Season 2
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Episode 4
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38:58
Episode 3: Kaleigh Atkinson & Shannon Talk Correcting the Narrative
Narrative work is foundational in not only the criminal legal system but in life overall. Kaleigh Atkinson and Shannon discuss the origins of the Correcting the Narrative campaign, how it has evolved over time, what they have learned, and where...
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Season 2
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Episode 3
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39:31
Episode 2: Janos Marton Talks Reform & Abolition with Shannon
Janos Marton and I discuss the debate between reform and abolition around the criminal legal system. (Note: This episode was recorded 2 years ago.)Janos Marton is the Chief Advocacy Officer for Dream.Org, an organization committed to clo...
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Season 2
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Episode 2
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39:58
Episode 1: Adam Procell and Shannon Ross go to Belize
What started out as an exploration of the possibilities of traveling while on paper (extended supervision) ultimately turned into a legitimate research project ending with Adam Procell and Shannon Ross traveling to the only non-profit prison in...
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Season 2
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Episode 1
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1:03:18
Episode 13: Marlon Chamberlain - what does it mean to be fully free upon release
Marlon has an established track record of creating effective coalitions, including passing the largest sealing expansion law in the United States and leading a voter registration campaign, which registered over 1,000 people with records to vote...
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Season 2
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Episode 4
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46:37
Episode 12: Guy Hamilton-Smith - Why the sex offender registry makes us less safe and the "carve out" mentality (selective empathy) makes us hypocrites
Guy Hamilton-Smith is a 2019 JustLeadershipUSA fellow, civil rights activist, and a writer. Most recently, he was the legal fellow at the Sex Offense Litigation and Policy Resource Center at the Mitchell Hamline School of law where his work foc...
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Season 2
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45:22
Episode 11: Artie Gonzales - Lessons from a Lifer: a rising humanizer in Hollywood
Artie Gonzales went from a life sentence, including 8 straight years at the infamous Pelican Bay super max, to now a member of big Hollywood productions and a rising star in the movement to correct the narrative about people with criminal recor...
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Season 2
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52:39
Episode 10: Brian Koehn - a warden for 28 years in the private prison industry explains why he is investing his life savings to correct corrections
Brian Koehn spent 28 years in the private prison industry with a reputation as a "fixer." But during his career, he become more and more disillusioned with the destructiveness and waste of the system. A presentation at a conference and a subseq...
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Season 2
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51:28
Episode 9: Dialo Orr - A 100+ year sentence and one of the best humans you will ever meet
Dialo Orr has been incarcerated for 25 years on a 100+ year sentence. His journey from angry and lost, to sick and tired, to mighty healer is just one example of the grace and human beauty we neglect and disincentivize in jails in prisons. Chuc...
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44:15
Episode 8: Janos Marton, the National Director of Dream Corps JUSTICE, discusses the nuances of reform vs abolition
As an experienced civil rights lawyer and long-time humanizer, Janos Marton is an influential and respected leader in safety and justice work nationally. His commentary on the discussion between reform and abolition is an excellent way to bette...
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38:56
Episode 7: David Carlson discusses decarceration efforts in Eau Claire and his new holistic treatment operation We Adapt
David Carlson fought in the military, spent time in prison, and has significant experience as a humanizer in the reentry/reform/decarceration work with the ACLU in Eau Claire. His background and experience led to some powerful commentary during...
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43:14
Episode 6: Dawn and Carmen are two shining examples of collaboration in Wisconsin
Dawn Barnett of Running Rebels and Carmen Pitre of the Sojourner Truth House are shining examples of the self-awareness, commitment, and power of collaboration. They share fantastic stories and insights about giving up control and sharing the s...
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Season 1
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Episode 6
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37:44
Episode 5: Dr. Darren Wheelock on why recidivism stats are very misleading or flawed
Dr. Darren Wheelock is, among other things, a criminal justice professor at Marquette University who has studied recidivism for a number of years. We spoke about the way this widely accepted barometer of success or failure in criminal justice p...
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Season 1
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Episode 5
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42:14
Episode 4: Daniel Forkkio, the CEO of Represent Justice on the power of correcting the narrative
Daniel Forkkio is the CEO of Represent Justice, whose mission is to turn stories into action to change the justice system, while building the capacity of system-impacted communities. Represent Justice started as an impact campaign inspired by t...
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Season 1
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Episode 4
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34:18
Episode 3: Roy Rogers - interview from prison about his successes and insights
This week we talk to Roy Rogers. Roy is what’s known as a j-lifer because he was sentenced to life in prison as a juvenile. We talk about his growth, successes, insights, and extreme sincerity as a human being as he approaches release ...
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Season 1
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Episode 3
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35:52
Episode 2: Jean Delonget - interview from prison about his success and insights
This week we talk to Jean Delonget, who has achieved numerous things while serving a 26 year sentence in the Wisconsin prison system for robbing someone with a BB gun. That’s right, a BB gun. And check out some of his work here:
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35:46
Episode 1: National interest in reentry/reform/decarceration efforts in Wisconsin
Scott Budnick, the producer and financier of Just Mercy (and the director of the Hangover) speaks about the national interest coming to fuel reentry/reform/decarceration efforts in Wisconsin very soon.- To contact and for more info on T...
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Season 1
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Episode 1
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16:54